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Alternate history is a way of reimagining true events, and one of the most commonly considered subjects is the American Civil War. That conflict was likely the most important American war in regards to the development of the modern world, and seeing as that war was fought around the legality and expansion of slavery, a lot of thought has gone into how slavery would continue or abate if the South won the war.

See Also: 10 Monuments More Controversial Than The Confederate Statues

This list touches on ten different ways the United States of America (USA) and the Confederate States of America (CSA) would have evolved were the Civil War to end following the Battle of Gettysburg. Much of this is supposition made from identifying the major events in culture, economics, and politics evolving from the late 19th-century through the 20th, and into the 21st.

Some of these ideas are based on the author’s own analysis of the American Civil War, as well as other historians who have studied the concept of alternate history where the conflict is concerned. If you have any thoughts about these items, please share them in the comments section to discuss how you think the world would be different had the Union lost the Civil War.

10 The Battle Of Gettysburg Would Have Been A Different Kind Of Turning Point


The Battle of Gettysburg was a major turning point in the war,[1] but in real history, it was beneficial to the North, not the South. The Army of the Confederacy, under the command of General Robert E. Lee, hoped that an incursion into the North would stop the Union’s push into the South. Ideally, the battle would have thwarted the Union advance towards Richmond and other southern territories. It didn’t work, and the CSA was defeated in one of the bloodiest battles[2] in American history.

In our alternate history view, the CSA won, and because they devastated the North so badly in the battle, all northern aggression directed at the CSA came to an end. Shortly thereafter, a peace treaty was signed, ending the American Civil War in July of 1863. In this scenario, the turning point ended the conflict and allowed the CSA to fall back to their own territory, choosing not to take parts of Pennsylvania for their nation. The Union Army would likewise consolidate their positions along the established borders, and each military would head to the West with the intent of furthering their political borders towards the Pacific Ocean.

9 Two Separate Countries Or 48 Individual Nations


Immediately following the cessation of hostilities, the border would be declared a demilitarized zone, and it would be guarded. This would reduce the number of slaves moving north, and sympathizers from the Union would have trouble relocating to the South. The biggest change would be the quick and direct westward expansion to claim new territory. California, Oregon, and Washington would likely remain/join the Union, as would the northern states along the Canadian border. The CSA would get all of the states that seceded, as well as the western states, including Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, and Arizona. Texas would either become its own independent nation, or it would remain with the CSA.

Because the economies of both countries would be in shambles, it’s possible that each State would ultimately secede from its respective Union or Confederacy. If this happened, the United States would no longer exist, the Constitution would be moot, and each State would become an independent country. In a way, they are like that today, but are joined under a Federal Government—take that governing body away, and each Governor becomes a President with their own military, government, and economy. If that happened, the national borders of the States would likely change over time as new conflicts arose.[3]

8The Conflict Would Have Continued For Decades


Another possible outcome resulting from a victorious CSA at the Battle of Gettysburg would be a continuation of the war on different fronts. As the nation continued to settle new states to the West, conflicts over the desired territory would certainly arise. Contests over specific borders, resources like rivers and ore deposits, and lands for ranging cattle would certainly spark border conflicts, which could break out into outright warfare. The next war between the states wouldn’t be a Civil War, it would be a protracted between two established nations, and it would be just as bloody, if not bloodier, than the original.

Granted, if the two countries managed to avoid an outright conflict over new states, there would still be the occasional border skirmish or disagreement over land. One of the biggest problems for the Union would be the loss of the Mississippi River, which is one of the primary avenues for shipping into the central United States. Losing that valuable shipping avenue would push the United States to gain more ground as fast as possible, and this would ultimately lead to a faster and more widespread slaughter of the indigenous populations in the American West.

7 No Democrats In The USA & No Republicans In The CSA

The United States is a two-party system, even though there are dozens of other “independent” parties active in modern politics. The same would likely be true in both the CSA and the USA following a southern victory, but one thing that would be different would be the makeup of those parties. During the Civil War, the Democratic party was overtly racist while the Republicans of the 19th-century were seeking freedom and equality for slaves and (later) women. Some believe there was an ideological shift that occurred throughout the 20th-century with the parties switching positions,[4] but, regardless, in a world where the South won, the Democrats would remain the dominant party in the CSA while the Republicans would either be the dominant party in the North, or it would disappear following the war.

Remember, Lincoln was a Republican, and they opposed slavery while supporting a smaller government and limited spending, but the Democrats were all about values related to their established way of life, which included slavery. As the parties continued to develop in their respective nations into the 20th and 21st-centuries, they would adapt and change, but both would likely remain the dominant parties where they were established. Smaller, less powerful parties would rise to challenge the establishment, but it’s unlikely they would take hold with any degree of influence for decades into the 20th-century.

6 No War With Spain And No Spanish Independence


The Spanish American War kicked off in 1898 following the sinking of the USS Main, which the nation blamed on Spain.[5] It was later discovered that the ship sank when its powder store exploded, but in 1898, it was all about Spain, and the two nations went to war. The front for this conflict extended in and around the waters of Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, and Guam, but without a combined United States, it’s unlikely the conflict would have ever taken place.

Without that war, Cuba would have remained part of Spain, as would the other territories, and the US wouldn’t have expanded its influence into the Pacific, which became an issue in World War II. Additionally, the men who fought during that war went on to become integral in the first World War, and seeing as neither conflict would likely happen, nor would it include America, the politics of the USA would have evolved differently across the 20th-century, especially where men like Theodore Roosevelt were concerned.

5 The USA Would Not Have Entered WWI


World War I broke out in Europe following the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand,[6] and things went to hell quickly. The United States stayed out of the conflict initially but entered into in 1917, shortly before the war ended. The USA helped bring the conflict to an end, but if the Confederacy won the Civil War, it’s unlikely either the USA or CSA would have been in a position to render aid in any significant manner.

Because of this, the war would have likely continued for several years, which would have had its own alternate history of Europe stemming from the elongated conflict. Would Germany have signed a treaty that stripped them of nearly everything, sending the nation into economic turmoil, and planting the seeds of WWII? Maybe not, and maybe there would never have been a WWII or a rise of Fascism in Europe if the USA didn’t enter the Great War. There’s no way to know for sure, but it’s highly likely the USA and CSA would have entered the conflict.

4 Lincoln Wouldn’t Have Been Assassinated, And Grant Would Be #18

John Wilkes Booth didn’t like how the war ended, and he took it out on the man he considered to be responsible: Abraham Lincoln.[7] If the South won the war, there wouldn’t have been any reason for him to assassinate the US President. Additionally, Lincoln would never have been reelected for a second term in office. Think about it; what’s he campaigning on if he lost the war and half of the United States’ states? His political career would have been over, and new blood would have risen to take his spot.

Another ‘victim’ of the war’s loss would have been Union General Ulysses S. Grant. He would never have risen to prominence following the Battle of Gettysburg, and wouldn’t have had a leg to stand in a campaign to become the 18th President of the United States. Because of these changes, the political makeup of the USA could have gone in any direction. The Republican Party might have been seen as a failed political ideology, and it could have dissolved, or it could have rebranded and returned strong. There’s really no way to know how the parties would have changed, but two things are certain: no reelection for Lincoln and no election for Grant.

3 International Trade Would Explode For The CSA


One of the biggest hindrances to the CSA during the war was a naval blockade[8] that prohibited trade to and from the CSA. Once that blockade was lifted following a cessation of hostilities, trade with the Confederacy would explode. Not only would the USA need to establish trade with its southern neighbor, but the CSA would also begin trading with Europe en masse. Cotton and tobacco were huge exports from the South in the 19th-century, and with trade opening up, the economy of the South would grow exponentially.

There would be a rise in American competition across the borders with nations across both the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans as each country vied for more trade partners overseas. The North would continue to expand its manufacturing and industrial sectors, while the South’s agriculture would propel it into a viable and sustainable economy well into the 20th-century.

Neither nation would become as large a trade partner as the USA is today, but their combined economies would still render both nations prosperous.

2The Geopolitical World Would Look Very Different Today


The 20th-century was shaped in many ways by the United States of America. Once the USA jumped into Europe in WWI, and then again in WWII with expansions into Asia, the US became a driving force in the growth of world economies, which continue well into the 21st-century. A world without the combined USA is a world that would look vastly different from today. If the October Revolution[9] still happened, the Soviet Union would rise to become a dominating force on the world stage, and it would likely take the place the USA holds today.

This may result in an eastern expansion into Europe, and the second World War could have been fought between the Soviet Union and everybody else. If they won, Communism would be the dominant political ideology across the planet today. The CSA and the USA would be no match for the expanding Soviet Union, and the two nations might finally find a way to come back together should their mutual defense require it.

Interesting Fact: the flag shown here is the third official flag of the Confederate States (the “blood-stained banner”). The top corner is the battle flag (the most commonly seen these days when talking about the CSA but only ever a battle flag). The first official flag was called the “stars and bars” and was made up of three red and white stripes with a circle of white stars on a blue background in the top corner. The second official flag (the “stainless banner”) was identical to the one pictured but lacked the red stripe on the edge. The stripe was added to the third flag so that it didn’t appear to be a white flag denoting surrender when hanging limp against a flagpole.

1 Slavery Would Have Continued For Some Time

Slavery was the main cause of the American Civil War. The southern states feared a lack of expansion into new states and territories, which became of paramount concern following the Election of 1860, and that led to cessation, which led to the war. The only issue of “State’s Rights” that came about was a state’s right to continue using slave labor. As such, a victorious CSA would have meant that the American enslavement of Africans and African Americans would continue well into the 20th-century. Despite this, Atlantic Slave Trade would have ended, or been reduced to piracy/privateers, as most other nations no longer supported it. Slavery in the CSA would be limited to reproduction within the nation, and “supplies” from Africa would end by the turn of the century.[10]

As the CSA expanded westward, each new State would become a slave state. Congruously, the Union states settled westward would be free states, but slavery wouldn’t continue to today, at least, not in the same capacity. The Industrial Revolution meant that a specialized and better-trained workforce was necessary to improve agricultural and industrial production. If the South continued to rely on slave labor, which was purposefully uneducated and illiterate, they would fall behind the USA and other more developed nations. It’s likely slavery would decline through the 20th-century, but it wouldn’t die out completely.

So-called “house slaves” would still be around for a long time, and unless there was significant international pressure for the CSA to abandon those practices, they would remain. Poorer farms and plantations that couldn’t afford modern equipment would try to keep pace with slave labor, but eventually, those would also die out in favor of automation and skilled labor. By the 21st-century, slavery would be limited to rich households and small enclaves of the CSA, with many segregated into small communities where they would be relied upon for small levels of production.

The video clip above is from the satirical mockumentary “C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America”.

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The American Civil War was fought between 1861 and 1865, and it holds the distinction of being the first modern war, but there’s more to it than that. The conflict saw more American casualties than any other in the nation’s history, and it tore the country apart.

When the Democratic southern states seceded from the Union to form the Confederate States of America, a large number of military officers followed, and they formed the CSA’s military command.

More than 150 years after the conflict came to an end, ten bases throughout the American south still bear the names of some of the Confederacy’s greatest military leaders.

10 Monuments More Controversial Than The Confederate Statues

10 Fort A.P. Hill, Virginia – Ambrose Powell Hill Jr.


Fort A.P. Hill, Virginia, was founded in 1941 outside the town of Bowling Green, Virginia. The post was established as an Army training facility, and it remains one to this day. The Fort is primarily used as an arms training center, and it is used by all branches of the military, as well as members of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, federal, state, and local law enforcement for weapons training.

The Fort was named in honor of Ambrose Powell Hill, a Confederate General from Virginia, who fought for the United States Army in the Mexican-American and Seminole Wars. He joined the Confederacy when the Civil War began and went on to serve in some of the war’s greatest conflicts. Hill was the commander of the “Light Division,” and one of Stonewall Jackson’s most proficient subordinates.

When Jackson died at the Battle of Chancellorsville, Hill was promoted to Lieutenant General to take command of General Lee’s Third Corps, which he led during the Gettysburg Campaign. He was killed in combat during the Union Army’s push during the Third Battle of Petersburg in 1865, shortly before the war came to a close.[1]

9 Fort Benning, Georgia – Henry Benning


Fort Benning, Georgia, is the home of the U.S. Army Infantry School, the Maneuver Center of Excellence, Armor School, and more. Ft. Benning supports more than 120,000 personnel, their family members, veterans, and support staff, making it a significant Georgian base. The Fort was established to provide Basic Training to Soldiers in 1918.

Fort Benning was named in honor of Henry Benning, the commander of “Benning’s Brigade” during the Civil War. Benning was an opponent of abolition and the emancipation of slaves, which put him strongly in favor of secession following the election of 1860. He served in the U.S. Congress for the Democratic Party in 1851 and remained in politics up to succession, but opted not to serve as a cabinet member in the Confederacy. He instead joined the Confederate Army as a Colonel of the 17th Georgia Infantry in 1861.

Benning attained the rank of Brigadier General, and he led his forces against General Grant during the Overland Campaign. He remained in the fight up to the bitter end. Benning was heartbroken when Confederacy was defeated, and he was one of the last officers to lead his men to the surrender ceremony in April 1865.[2]

8 Fort Bragg, North Carolina – Braxton Bragg


Fort Bragg, North Carolina, is known as being the largest military installation in the world by population, as it supports 50,000 active-duty personnel at any given time. The Fort is located outside Fayetteville and is the home of the Army’s XVIII Airborne Corps, US Special Operation Command, and many more units.

The Fort was established in 1918 to train artillery personnel, and it was named in honor of North Carolina native Braxton Bragg. Bragg served as an officer in the U.S. Army during the Second Seminole and Mexican-American Wars before joining the Confederacy despite being opposed to secession. He was serving as a Colonel in the Louisiana Militia in 1860, and the following year, he was commissioned as a Brigadier General of the Confederate States Army and given command of forces in Pensacola, Florida.

He served in numerous campaigns throughout the war, including the Battles for Chattanooga, the Battle of Chickamauga, and many more. He became an advisor to President Davis and was one of the people credited with finally convincing him that the Confederacy’s cause was lost, which ultimately led to the surrender of the CSA and the end of the war.[3]

7 Fort Gordon, Georgia – John Brown Gordon


Fort Gordon, Georgia, was established as Camp Gordon in 1917 as the training grounds for the 82nd Division. It was upgraded to a Fort in 1941 and has since become home of the U.S. Army Signal Corps, the Cyber Corps, and more.

Camp Gordon was named in honor of John Brown Gordon, a Confederate officer who joined the CSA without any prior military experience. Though he lacked the knowledge of many of his peers, he was elected Captain of the 6th Alamaba Infantry Regiment. By 1862, he was serving as a Colonel, having seen combat at Seven Pines. Gordon had a knack for being wounded, and during the Battle of Antietam, he was hit multiple times in his arm and leg, but he continued to fight while refusing to go to the read. General Lee was impressed by his fortitude, and after he recovered, he was promoted to Brigadier General.

Gordon continued to lead his men up to the end of the war, having charged the Army of Northern Virginia at Appomattox Court House. He officially surrendered his troops soon after, on April 12, 1865. Following the war, he entered politics in strict opposition to Reconstruction. He served as a U.S. Senator for the Democratic Party and served as the 53rd Governor of Georgia.[4]

6 Fort Hood, Texas – John Bell Hood


Fort Hood, Texas, was founded in January 1942, so the Army could take advantage of the open terrain to test tank destroyers during World War II. Fort Hood is the most populous military base in the world, and it’s also one of the largest by area, as it encompasses 214,000 acres of land. It’s primarily used as an HQ for the III Corps, the 1st Cavalry Division, and other cavalry units.

Fort Hood gets its name from John Bell Hood, a notoriously brave and aggressive officer who was trained at the United States Military Academy. He served only briefly in the U.S. Army before resigning his commission immediately following the Battle of Fort Sumpter, which kicked off the Civil War. The native Kentuckian’s home state was neutral at the time, so he opted to serve in Texas.

Hood was promoted to Colonel in September 1860 and was given command of the 4th Texas Infantry Regiment. He served in numerous battles, including the Battles of Antietam, Fredericksburg, Gettysburg, Chicamauga, and many more. He was promoted to General temporarily in July 1864 and eventually returned to the rank of Lieutenant General for the duration of the conflict.[5]

Top 10 Surprising Confederates

5 Fort Pickett, Virginia – George Pickett


Fort Pickett, Virginia, is a Virginia Army National Guard post situated outside the town of Blackstone. It is the home of the Army National Guard Maneuver Training Center, and it was established in 1941 for the purpose of simultaneously training more than one Infantry Division at a time.

Fort Pickett was named in honor of George Pickett, a career U.S. Army officer who served during the Mexican-American War. He continued to serve until he was compelled to resign his commission following the Battle of Fort Sumter. Within a month, he was a Colonel in the Confederate States Army, and by 1862, he was a Brigadier General.

Pickett served in numerous campaigns but is likely best known for the ill-fated “Pickett’s Charge” during the Battle of Gettysburg. He stepped across the line to charge nearly a mile to Cemetery Ridge, shouting, “Up, Men, and to your posts! Let no man forget today that you are from Old Virginia!”[6] The assault was a bloodbath, and Pickett was all but inconsolable. His division was mostly lost, as well as his subordinate commanders. He remained active in the war and was a member of General Lee’s party during the surrender at Appomattox Courthouse.[7]

4 Fort Rucker, Alabama – Edmund Winchester Rucker


Fort Rucker, Alabama, was opened during World War II to train aviators. These days, it’s home to Army Aviation and is the post where all Army Warrant Officers (Including the writer of this article) train at Warrant Officer Candidate School. The base was named in honor of Confederate General Edmund Rucker when it was officially opened in 1942.[8]

Edmund Rucker enlisted in the Confederate States Army as a Private soon after the Civil War broke out in 1861. He belonged to Pickett’s Tennessee Company of Sappers and Miners, and he was promoted to Lieutenant by 1862. As he progressed through the ranks, he moved to the Cavalry Batallion and was given command of the 1st East Tennessee Legion, known as Rucker’s Legion,[9] with the rank of Colonel in 1863.

He eventually gained the rank of Brigadier General, though it was never confirmed by the Confederate Congress. Rucker was wounded in action on several occasions and lost his left arm soon after he was captured. His release was secured through an exchange managed by General Nathon Bedford Forrest, the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

3 Fort Polk, Louisiana – Leonidas Polk


Fort Polk, Louisiana, was originally established as a Camp in 1941 for the Louisiana Maneuvers in anticipation of the U.S. joining World War II. Today, it is home to the Joint Readiness Training Center and various combat units, including the 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division.

The Camp was named in honor of the Right Reverend Leonidas Polk, the first Episcopal Bishop of the Diocese of Louisiana. He resigned his position with the church to become a Major General in the Confederate Army after personally offering his services to Jefferson Davis, a classmate of his from his time at West Point. Polk committed a significant blunder early in the conflict when he sent troops to Columbus, Kentucky. The state had attempted to remain neutral but ended up requesting federal aid to deal with the occupation. This resulted in Kentucky being effectively ceded to the United States.

Polk commanded troops in the Army of Mississippi and Tennessee, managing to fight in numerous battles. He brought 20,000 men to Georgia while serving as the confederate States Army’s second in command. While scouting outside of Marietta, Georgia, in June 1864, he was spotted by Union Troops, who directed artillery fire at the General, killing him with the third shot.[0]

2 Camp Beauregard, Louisiana – Pierre Gustave Toutant-Beauregard


Camp Beauregard, Louisiana, was established in 1918 as a training base for the 17th Division in preparation for the United States’ entry into World War I. The Camp is currently operated by the Louisiana Army National Guard, which uses it primarily as one of its main training areas.

Camp Beauregard was named after Pierre Gustave Toutant-Beauregard, a United States Military Academy graduate who served during the Mexican-American War. General Beauregard was the first Brigadier General in the Confederate States Army, and one of the most prominent to arise early in the conflict. He was given the rank of General five months after joining the Confederacy, making him the fifth highest-ranking officer in the CSA. Beauregard commanded his troops to fire the first shots of the Civil War, after his demand that the command at Ft. Sumter surrender to the CSA. For his action, he was known as “The Hero of Fort Sumter,” and he remained popular throughout the war.

General Beauregard survived the war and even though he remained a member of the Democratic Party for the rest of his life, he paradoxically went on to become an advocate for black civil rights and suffrage by supporting the Republican Party. He worked as a railroad executive and was an early promoter of the Louisiana Lottery, which, at the time, was the only legal lottery in the United States.[11]

1 Fort Lee, Virginia – Robert Edward Lee


Fort Lee, Virginia, was established early in the Civil War as a training camp west of Richmond. It was originally known as Camp Lee, and it grew into a Fort as World War I began intensifying. Today, it is the home of the U.S. Army Combined Arms Support Command, the Army Quartermaster, Ordnance, and Transportation schools.

The Camp was named in honor of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. Lee was a prominent U.S. military officer who served during the Mexican-American War. He also worked as the superintendent of the Military Academy at West Point, and though he was initially reluctant, as he opposed secession (despite remaining a staunch supporter of the Democratic Party), he resigned his commission to join the Confederate States Army.

General Lee was one of the first to be given the rank of full General, and he was given command of the forces in Western Virginia.

Lee invaded Maryland and was primarily responsible for the push into Gettysburg, which resulted in one of the most significant CSA defeats of the war. From that point, he commanded forces up to the end of the American Civil War, having lost the vast majority of his Army by April 1865.[12]

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